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They’ve really got to fix this at the federal level soon... What a mess.
As it stands, it’s completely illegal to transport over state lines, correct? So everywhere where it’s legal it needs to be grown and processed in the same state where it’s sold?
And can all these growers and sellers still only pay their taxes in cash, or has that been resolved to some extent? I know there are a very limited numbers of banks who will work with these companies.
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the only states there with any brains are the ones in grey.
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I, for one, am sick of checking into hotel rooms that reek like a skunk farm. I had one recently that smelled like a pack of skunks had crawled under the bed and died.
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Yeah it’s a bit of a mess, but now that the big money is getting involved this is all going to get sorted out sooner rather than later. Here in DC weed is legal but there’s no “legal” way to sell it other than at a dispensary with a medical card. So we have what’s known as Initiative 71 shops where you go in and buy a t-shirt or hat for $50 and then receive a “gift” of a weed. I haven’t been in one of those shops for a while, but apparently they’ve dropped the pretense of selling t-shirts and are just straight up selling weed now.
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I’m just happy they finally decrimina l ized in Virginia. Additionally, the commonwealth’s attorney (which is basically a DA) in my city has said he will not prosecute possession charges. Legalize it already, it’s really not that big a deal.
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It’s quite a mess. I’m in VT. You can have, grow it, give it away, but you cannot buy it or sell it (yet). They’re going to fix that but not until as late as 2022.
Edit to add the above is for personal use. Medical is bought and sold, but it's not an easy path like in CA.
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Keep up the farcical War on Drugs?
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Marijuana legalization is a social justice issue . Police can say, “I smell weed, everyone up against the wall” to any group of people (usually poor and Black) frisk them, check them for warrants, and generally make their lives miserable. It’s bullshit.
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yes.
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i don’t want to be downwind of people smoking the crap.
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Now whether it is enforced in certain areas is another thing. You can't go two blocks in downtown Atlanta without smelling weed.
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I used to think the L ibertarian P arty presidential candidates were loons for spending so much time talking about drugs, but I finally get it. The war on drugs is far more evil in so many ways, with so many negative ramifications for civil liberty, than drugs themselves are.
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I’m hoping this is because you aren’t here, and don’t know what marijuana laws are used for.
I t’s the “broken taillight” farce that can’t be disproved with a bodycam, because bodycams can’t smell.
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Speaking as someone with top and doors off for months, even in one of those grey states I frequently find myself smelling that stench from nearby cars. It’s atrocious.
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thanks for the heads up on that. one place to avoid then
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I just don't understand why they dont enforce it the same as tobacco. No public consumption. Its easy.
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This is a completely separate issue from legalization. I also hate the smell of smoke, whether it be from cigarettes, marijuana, or cigars (I don’t smoke anything myself).
The simple solution is the one that has been implemented for tobacco: no smoking rooms (or floors, or wings).
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I agree that you shouldn’t be allowed to smoke in public; which would seem solve this issue.
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I suppose you think t
he eighteenth amendment was also a swell idea.
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what is the 18th?
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that would be perfect.
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that would be an excellent idea imo
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Prohibition didn’t work for marijuana. I don’t partake myself, but judging by the habits of some of my friends, it was never difficult to buy when it was illegal. It only fed profits to criminal enterprises, increased violent crime, and packed jails with non-violent users and low level sellers (sort of like the prohibition on alcohol...).
It doesn’t seem to be any more dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes; so I support the legalization of marijuana provided there are common sense regulations (no smoking in public, minimum age, etc).
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Prohibition
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ok.
honestly, yes as i’m not a drinker
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So the police using it as pretext to harass people is cool with you? Keeping a kid from going to college because he got caught smoking a joint in 10th grade seems right?
You don’t like it, awesome. People should be respectful of others no matter what they’re doing; don’t hoon on public roads, don’t smoke weed where it’s going to bother others, don’t leave trash in the woods.
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Unless you book into a dirty, run down casino in Atlantic City, which, for the uninitiated, is every casino in Atlantic City, where they flip floors from smoking to nons moking and back again on a week to week basis and the cleaning staff treats all floors as smoking anyway.
You know what? Maybe just don't go to Atlantic City, that place is East St. Louis with a boardwalk.
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I have family in the Medicinal business in my state and the hoops they jump through are insane. Between the cash handling and ever changing rules/processes.
I’m happy my state is “trying” to put some motion forward to get to full legalization but would rather just see that happen at a federal level.
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They do, in theory, as that’s the law in Colorado. But, reality is very different. Colorado can feel like a dormitory at an liberal arts college in the 60’s quite often. I drove past many a car with the driver smoking weed while driving. Plus, the number of people that moved here for weed caused unprecedented issues with the cost of housing.
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Legalizing pot sounds like a winner on the surface, but then once they do, the state morphs it into another big money-grabbing full employment guarantee for taxers and regulators. And I know that in Humboldt county, north of here, legalizing dope pretty much rendered a swath of people destitute and choked off the money to a whole bunch of small businesses.
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Sarcasm?
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Well, there's that... No doubt.
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Well said, Sir
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The War of Drugs created our modern police state where the police force in Fargo, ND has a fucking tank and dudes who two generations ago would have been Barney Fife now walk the streets in full battle rattle everyday. DO. NOT. GET. ME. STARTED.
In conclusion, fuck the police.
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Get better hotels.
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All of that.
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I don’t like the smell either. Not something I have any interest in trying even if it were legal.
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It's not easy because the government complicates it and wants in on the action. Legalizing dope is a big money grab and an employment guarantee for a slew of bureaucrats and multiple levels. In Humboldt County, legalization of reefer has severely impacted the local economy.
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But then, as I've mentioned also on this thread to others, the government gets involved and wants all the action for taxation and employment of bureaucrats. They make a mess of it.
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Legalizing weed sounds good on the surface, but it does create a bunch of problems. Actually, it's the government that creates all the problems...
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I agree with you on that point by the way...
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You gave me a laugh without one.
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I don't think there is anything easy about that path in California.
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It's a really big deal when the government gets involved. But I like your post because it suggests the word decriminalize as an alternative to legalize. But it's definitely time to figure out a way to have people not get stopped and frisked and arrested and harassed over marijuana.
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cops just need to dial back on the racism, along with ours over here.
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no
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Prohibition, made alcohol illegal in the States during the 1920's and created the conditions for the rise of organized crime . . . . and the Kennedy family.
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Many years ago, my wife and I drove down to the Rio Grande Valley so I could play for a wedding. On the way back up US 281, there was (certainly still is) a CPB check station where they shunt all the cars off the road and make them stop. We rolled up, and the officer asked, “Where are you headed?” Austin, I replied (college town). “Where are you coming from?” Weslaco. I was playing a wedding (musician). “And where did you say you were going?” Austin. “And where were you coming from?” Weslaco. “Do you mind if I search your car?” What am I going to say, no?
So we pull over, three or four officers come out of the building, and they go through my car, tapping on the panels, opening all of our bags. Finally one of the guys finds my bag of cigars in the front console. He holds it up and they all go back inside. The first guy comes over and says, “Sorry to hold you up, but when you rolled your window down I just smelled something and I had to check.”
I get it, he’s doing his job. But you would hope they could tell the difference between cigar smoke and weed smoke. Then again, I suppose you could smoke a cigar to cover the weed smell. I never thought of that back in the day.
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I agree with all this . D o you think “slippery slope” arguments have any merit?
Mushrooms are now decriminalized in Colorado.
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I think I caught a contact buzz walking through downtown NYC last December.
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Pretty much all of the drug laws written during the 80s and 90s were directed at the urban population, and by that, I mean Blacks.
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Its been about a year since it was ‘legalized’ in Canada. The government is trying to control distribution/production
and also sell at black market prices. Then they wonder why they are doing so poorly and the black market is kicking
their ass.
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The essay I wrote for college admission (back in 1984) was a passionate argument in favor of legalization. Of course, back then, I had a vested interest. If the US really had any interest in busting the drug cartels, they’d make it legal.
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Did you check under the bed?
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Inte restingly, the black market is doing better then a few years ago when Ca legalized. Pounds were as low as $ 500 trimmed, 10 years ago that same pound was $2500, and right now its at least $1k. Partly because its still illegal in various states, and partly because the cost of becoming a legal grower kept alot of people in the black market. N ow the govt is cracking down and raiding unpermitted farms left and right making it riskier then it was 10 years ago and driving up the price.(at least in Ca)
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It’s not just racism , the police use their power to flex on any marginalized groups. Poor whites in Appalachia (and other rural areas) basically have the same problems as poor urban Blacks, the cops target them for harassment by going to trailer parks and busting balls just like they do it in the hood.
Gay bars? Here comes the police, “Hey we smell weed, we’re coming in here, terrorizing your customers, and fucking up your whole night!”
Sex workers? If they get busted and then have a joint or two on them, the police start piling on charges. “You live in Maryland but we caught you with this weed in VA! We’re adding an interstate trafficking charge just for fun.”
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Damn, that sucks... Our county here in OK wants to be the “weed capitol of the state” to revive the county seat’s downtown. Thankfully I don’t live in or frequent that town, but a small grow barn is starting on a property near ours.
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Detroit is a year behind the rest of the state because they’re taking their time and only giving licenses to existing medical shops and/or Detroit residents. To your point the surrounding burbs have turned into a who has the most capital race . Hopefully Detroit’s plan works and keeps the money local.
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You either must have done a lot of walking or pent a lot of time standing still.
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I lived in Dearborn Heights when I was very young. I’d intended to visit Detroit this Summer and the Henry Ford Museum, but Coronavirus. I’d love to see Detroit successfully revitalize itself.
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LOTS of walking.
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I’m glad this ended well for you. That “Can I search your car shit?” where they intimidate you into giving consent is an unconscionable abuse of power. If you deny them permission then they can detain you for hours while they wait for a K-9 unit to inspect your car, it’s all such a bunch of bullshit it makes me pig biting mad.
My father (RIP) , a COL in the Army and one of the most Dudley DoRight guys you will ever meet, was harassed by the pigs for driving a rental car because some stupid rednecks between Richmond & DC decided that was “suspicious”. Lucky for him he had the power to tell this pig to suck a fart out of his asshole when asked for permission to search his car but he could have just as easily ended up dead.
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Raising the black market price - what’s the legal price? Way more, I assume.
No different than moonshiners with illegal stills, I guess.
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I think the state of California was like that well before they legalized pot.
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Yeah, it’s still a mess here in OK, too. My county had it where you had to have your grow on light industrial until recently, but they’ve changed it to where you can have a limited grow on agricultural if you have 10 or more acres (there’s one starting up not far from us).
I assume if Biden wins there will be change at the national level before too long (especially if the Ds end up with the Senate as well).
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Roughly the same price, perhaps even less.
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Due to it’s rousing successes the first time around?
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I can see that. The smell can be pretty overpowering in closer quarters.
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I am also okay with legalizing mushrooms. For my same reasons as legalizing marijuana. “ Hard” drugs which are very addictive (cocaine, heroine, etc. ) I wouldn’t be comfortable legalizing, but would like to see an approach similar to Portugal’s implemented (lots of services for addicts, decriminalization of possession for addicts, etc). It has worked really well for them.
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I think we pioneered that style of governance.
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Dont know how long its been since you’ve been in the D, but prepared to be shocked by downtown and underwhelmed by change in the rest of the city.
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I used to be against it when I was younger, but I think they should just legalize it and be done with it. Treat it like alcohol and tobacco. No smoking in public and driving high is a DUI.
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I am ok with the government taxing marijuana like to bacco and subjecting it to the same food/drug safety regulations (overseen by bureaucrats) that alcohol/food/drugs go through.
Someone has to ensure the marijuana is not laced with anything. I’d like to see the taxes used for addiction treatment and anti-drug campaigns (similar to tobacco).
I think we take for granted the food and drink we consume won’t kill us, that the prescription drugs we buy are actually what they say they are, and that our building are built to code, which isn’t the case in countries that don’t have regulations that are enforced by bureaucrats.
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Just an FYI, that’s the heart of Trump country.
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Plenty of alcoholics and people addicted to weed, too...
Ever heard a heavy pot user talk? There is long-term damage happening.
Honestly, I’m an individual freedoms guy, so on one had I just think legalize everything and get people who need it help, but it’s probably best that there are some limits on what people can easily obtain and use (to protect our fellow citizens who have a weakness for this stuff).
I’ll have to look up what Portugal’s done.
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I guess it makes sense that the black market price would roughly match the legal price, but why would anyone buy it illegally if it was cheaper (or the same) to buy legally? No risk at all to the buyer, I assume?
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Yeah, that’s pretty much where I’m at, too.
Speaking of, we got rear ended by some lady who was high right after medicinal was legalized here... Kids got to see her taken away in handcuffs. Good lesson for them!
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Let’s ignore any potential medicinal value and keep giving people opioids instead then , right?
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I’m at maybe 30-40 hotel rooms this year and none of them smelled like weed. And I’m not staying anywhere particularly nice, either.
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A long time. Is downtown shockingly decrepit?
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I’d be for it too... IF it wasn’t the worst-smelling drug ever. Seriously. At my old high (lol) school, you could tell when someone had been doing weed because the whole hallway smelled like 1,000 corpses vomited. I don’t want it legalized simply because it just smells so awful.
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As a Canadian, when it was made legal here about 2 years ago there was a big outcry that it was going to be everywhere and we would see usage rise in youth. Nothing happ ened. Nothing.
Well, the government , as mentioned in other posts, screwed up by not getting the laws sorted prior to legalization and there were shortages of legal weed for a while. They have sorted that out now, and as I understand it (I smoke maybe 4 times a year, with friends, in tents, in nature) most of the issues have sorted themselves out.
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Did you all have provincial laws before a national law?
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I’m on board with all of this. Fuck the police.
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That’s only because the local economy was previously all illegal. My cash flow would increase like 40% if I wasn’t paying taxes and all the rest of it.
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Not liking the smell is not a good reason to ban it though. You might a s well ban certain beans, as they make people fart.
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Yes, you say no. Nobody is searching my anything without a real clear reason. And the fact that I was driving my car from one town to another does not pass the threshold for a “reason.”
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Funny, this map, with a few exceptions, could be about other laws or issues as well. The war on drugs, law and order, lolol.
Not holding my breath for any kind of federal or even state consistency, when this gongshow can’t even agree on front plates. Regressiveness comes on many levels.
I live in an area that was an early adopter of legalization, and my only worry has been drivers under the influence - I am sure there have been tragic cases, but the praetorian warrior set also seems to use discretion in enforcement of distracted driving laws (and offenses committed by other brave members of the frat), so this is probably no different.
My brother also has fractional ownership of a legal grow op - I think only just now are they running in the black. Maybe not the booming new industry some predicted.
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The opposite, the “ renaissance ” the city has had in the 5 or so years has happened mostly downtown. U sed to be no one lived downtown .. or even walked around at night. Now its like an actual city.
*I’ ve only been here a decade so not sure how it compares to before that
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LOL visit those states, and in most cases, you’ll change your tune.
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I stay in hotels numerous times a year, in a state that was an early adopter of logical policy. I have yet to experience this issue. Spend the extra $25 and stay somewhere nice.
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Lol @ “doing weed,” that phrase is not a thing. P.S. it smells lovely. Square!
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That is where I am as well. I don’t drink nor smoke for the same reason I don’t do marijuana. I just don’t want to nor find it pleasant. And while I would prefer a world where people aren’t intoxicated as I find drunk people generally annoying, I can accept that it is the choice of people to do that and as they do it responsibly it is okay. Afterall, many people would prefer a world where people don’t do sick burnouts. Give and take!
But wasting tax dollars by taking people who would be otherwise gainfully employed and sticking them in prisons over pot? That is just plain not worth our time and money. Free up the prison spaces for people who should be in jail like murderers and those psychopaths who rob from people’s retirement accounts.
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“suck a fart out of his asshole...”
That’s some fine Oppo right there.
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Ive got no idea how the price changes as the wholesale pounds get broken down into ounces or less, for sale to consumers. An illegal dealer might pay the same as a dispensery for a Pound but dosent have the same overhead.(also my guesses on legal wholesale costs where based on a short Google search, i don’t actually know that side)
The legal market is strict about how the weed is grown and what sort of contaminants are present(mildew, chemical fertilizer). My guess is you can get better weed for the same or less money.(“better” as in looks and/or smells nicer)
Another small thing is your not allowed to buy or transport more then one ounce at a time, while its legal to have more at your residence.
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The cafes weren’t illegal, but I take your point. Now all those people are either homeless or getting government support. Or in jail. At what cost to the taxpayer?
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I can definitely appreciate that as I also think it smells like the corpses of a million dead skunks.
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Clearly you have not smelled the art hallway at my old school. It was truly gag-inducing.
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It smells like rotting flesh took a dump.
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Exactly! I don’t understand how anyone could possibly want to smoke weed after experiencing what it smells like. It’s just foul, man.
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That’s good to hear.